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Sales +4779! Trademark Disputes +1!

In the last article we spoke in some depth about order numbers, it’s a little dry but there’s no doubt that it’s another facet in the world of EDGE Games that needs making public. Today we’ll try to bounce off some of that order number banter with news on EDGE Games’ latest legal hunt (So skip to the end if your eyes can’t take it).

First here’s a quick list of all the games EDGE have sold (possibly in years):

1001 – 09/01/09  – Mythora – To ChaosEdge
1002 – 09/29/09 – Mythora / Bobby Bearing – To ChaosEdge — Order Cancelled and Refunded
1003 (3462) – 09/30/09 – RACERS – To ChaosEdge
1004 – 10/31/09 – Mythora – To ChaosEdge – Order Cancelled and Refunded
5783 – 11/09/09 – RACERS / Mythora – To ChaosEdge
5784 – 11/09/09 – Bobby Bearing – To ChaosEdge
5785 – 11/10/09 – Bobby Bearing – To ChaosEdge

We won’t even send a bill for doing the accounts book, that’s how nice we really are.

So as you can see there’s a bit of an oddity with those sales numbers. Sure we might not be the only ones buying from the world famous, all original and founder of our beloved industry publisher (That’s EDGE Games if you hadn’t guessed), but some how we seriously doubt that.

In the last article we had gone as far as making order 1004, which was cancelled by Langdell and refunded as “out of stock”. At which point all the store items were set as “out of stock” or “on back order” meaning that NO purchases at that time could be made.

On 9th November Langdell ‘reopened’ and the store began offering items for sale again, so we did a test purchase.

Look at the order number, 5783. Does this mean that in the few hours the store was open Langdell received 4779 orders?

We contacted SmartCart about how the order number system worked.

“We can update the starting invoice number at no additional charge.”

Based on this reponse and past evidence where Langdell tried to claim order 1003 was “a system error” and meant to be 3462 and based on past performance of the store where nobody was buying items except ChaosEdge, this high order number is unlikely to be accurate.

But we need evidence to support this ‘no ones buying’ claim, so the next day another test purchase was made resulting in:

Even though the purchases are nearly a day apart the order number is only one higher, so no other purchases were made in that 24 hours, where as Langdell claims that thousands were made in much less a period of time only the day before.

All in all, this supports the case that Langdell got the order number altered to show a higher number than he has actually sold items for.

To really confirm though we needed another day to test this again:

No surprise, the order number is 5785, one higher than the previous day.

Of course pigs could well be flying here and we could be wrong, but obviously we’ll await that verdict, perhaps when Langdell has to show his tax records in proof that his company is a world class publisher of MODERN GAMES on MODERN PLATFORMS …

One more time for the people: EDGE Games have NEVER published or developed a game on the PlayStation 3, PlayStation 2, PlayStation, PSP, Xbox 360, Xbox, Wii, Gamecube, N64, Super Nintendo, DS, Gameboy Advance, Gameboy Color, Gameboy, Megadrive (Genesis) or iPhone.

So beyond the order number banter we promised some info into Langdell’s next possible move in the world of trademark trappings and nefarious shenanigans.

Recently, very recently in fact, the EDGE Games website was updated with a whole new range of products. And these aren’t the type that were made by other people and heavy handedly threatened into a licence agreement, but are in fact totally original products that even have that special EDGE Games vibe about them, you know the thing, they look like they’ve been knocked up in Microsoft Paint.

Ladies and gentlemen, we’d like to present to you: THE EDGE(R) MEMORY!

Oh the excitement, USB and SD memory cards! We can’t wait to get out hands on those

Shame.

So maybe these products are the idea of branching out into new realms now that the gaming industry has become sour to the worlds most famous publisher that no one has heard of.

Of course not.

This latest move is part of a battle against computer memory company Edge Tech Corp, a company that Landell has been in trademark wranglings with for much of this year. Yes, that’s another company and another trademark dispute.

Langdell’s dispute has been the usual complaints of customer confusion. We’re sure his inbox has been filled a hundred times over with baffled punters saying that they looked on the wrong site when trying to purchase MIRRORS.

That’s not all, as there’s also been talk of lost sales, all those folks that visited the Edge Tech site by mistake and couldn’t find MIRRORS, ended up buying a few flash sticks, OBVIOUSLY. As you can tell Langdell was furious at these lost imaginary sales, but even he’s not stupid enough to try and challenge the fact that he lost sales to products he doesn’t sell.

So how did he go about fixing that problem?

More than Games

Snippet from Letter to Trademark Attorney

He updated his website and began to sell memory cards, thus creating confusion, or so he thinks.

“In short, the marks are identical (THE EDGE) and the goods are identical”, no Langdell what you meant to say was “I looked at their website and using Microsoft Paint, I stuck my logo on to some generic memory sticks and then uploaded them to my website”.

UPDATE:

File Listing

A little more proof to show that Langdell fabricated these memory card images only the day before sending out the legal letter to show that EDGE Games sells the products. As you can see at the right of both the images (One image for each memory card) the date of uploading is 5th November 2009, and the letter sent out (See above image) was stamped as 6th November 2009.

 

So we’d like to wish Edge Tech Corp all the best in this trademark wrangle, we’re behind you all the way.

We can’t end this article without showing just how the game industry community is reacting to Langdell’s trademark ways: ATOMIC EDGE GAMES

Let’s thank Langdell, no really, we should thank him, because it’s times like these that really draw folk together. Who’d have thought the day would arise when Indie’s the world over would be coming together alongside the likes of EA? That’s the power of this event and it’s a nice way to look at a brighter side of all this negativity.

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  1. Atomicow
    November 12, 2009 at 3:47 am

    Have they done anything about the whole “free copy of ‘Racers'” thing? Not that they have any leverage, they shipped it after Paypal ruled in your favor, but still – It’s be funny to have a follow up on that.

  2. Atomicow
    November 12, 2009 at 4:05 am

    Were you all aware that “www.edge-games.com” has a neat little redirect?

  3. November 12, 2009 at 5:49 am

    4779 sales? So anywhere from $51,203 to $128,085 including a California sales tax of 7.25%? I assume this data will appear on the publicly-available Edge Games corporate tax records next year, right? Or will we be left trying to figure out if he’s committing either trademark fraud or tax fraud?

    • The EDGY(intended Irony)
      November 12, 2009 at 9:36 pm

      this reminds me of the joke where two guys paid eachother 1 million each to eat dog poop, and concluding with “at least we raised the GDP(or whatever the term was for a country’s gross income was) by 2 million!”

    • Taxman
      November 24, 2009 at 3:01 pm

      Shurely all his previous (claimed) game sales appear on tax returns somewhere, if anyone wants to check?

  4. The EDGY(intended Irony)
    November 12, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    Also, doesn’t smart cart have any sort of policy against purchase count inflation? Then again, this would probably be the first time anyone’s abused their system for a fiasco like this (no surprise there).

    • Mr Tk
      November 24, 2009 at 6:12 am

      No, not really as you could be integrating the smart cart system with existing system, and want to match up with how the previous system invoices are numbered. There is no convention to say what it should start at.

  5. Johann Ly
    November 12, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    Holy hell, the sun never sets on the Edge Empire!

  6. Snow
    November 13, 2009 at 9:10 pm

    I hope the moderators don’t mind. I posted this as a comment for the “crying developer” article, but that’s an old article. I would say apart from being a comment for that article, this is a more general comment and reflects how I feel as one of the many gamers out there and also as an aspiring developer. I don’t know if I could feel comfortable making games, if there was some vulture waiting in the shadows to unwittingly drag me through the legal system for the title of my game.

    Here is the comment:

    I hope. I really hope, that all the information here is being submitted to EA or at least their lawyers. I thought it was bad enough to squat on the trademark of a simple word, but to be so low as to actually steal artwork from DeviantArt from young emerging, aspiring artists who already work so hard to get recognition in a very competitive forum.. it make me want to vomit.

    “‘Over the past few months I had been bringing together some of the best talent worldwide to form a unique group of programmers, graphic artists and musicians.’” Um… you mean, bringing a unique group of these talented individuals together… without them actually even knowing it. Wow. That is incredible. You don’t even have to pay them either. They just produce their creations… and you are free to use take them and use them for your own personal gain. Oh, but wait… you’re not actually producing anything… just making it look like you are so that, EA and anyone else who challenges YOU does not have a case. Ooooooooooooooh. I see. So very clever Tim.

    Please Chaos Edge. Please PLEASE get all this information into the right hands. I am myself an artist and also heading into the game development arena – hoping to release a title or two within about 2 years. I have had my own art stolen before and even put up in a public gallery with someone else’s name on the picture. I didn’t think I could ever be so angry and I still had to fight tooth and nail to prove that it was my own damned artwork. I ended up being lucky in the fight, as a former art instructor had some of my previous paintings of the same subject and sketches as well. The woman who stole my artwork was rightfully shunned by the local art community and banned permanently from the gallery. Just like artwork, games as well can take a tremendous amount of effort and time to produce a quality product (or experience if it’s released for free).

    I shake my head at Langdell. If Edge Games is a game company… why doesn’t the fucking prick focus on actually making games. I mean which is more enjoyable and beneficial to do – drag unsuspecting saps through the legal system and raping them of whatever money you can – while in the process have thousands if not millions HATE you… or because you already have some money and run a company to boot, SIT BACK DOWN AND ACTUALLY MAKE A GAME, THEREBY MAKING YOUR TITLE OF A GAME COMPANY LEGITIMATE AND WHO KNOWS, YOU MAY ACTUALLY GAIN SOME FANS, WHICH THEREBY INCREASES POSITIVE POPULARITY, WHICH INCREASES THE POSSIBILITY OF MAKING MUCH MORE PROFIT THAN FROM SUING OTHER DEVELOPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I’m sure Langdell comes to this site and reads through all the articles and comments. Seriously, I hope you actually read this comment. Give up your nonsense. Admit your errors and try to redeem yourself. No one stays in the business of making games by just hanging on a trademark. Those who stay in the business of making games and wish to keep their company alive MAKE GAMES!!! Making games, as I said can be very enjoyable. Being a game company – your purpose is either to sell titles that you have already published and/or continue to make titles.

    If you really did create games yourself and you’ve been in the industry since, what.. the 70’s, that makes you unique. People who have been in the industry since that time have seen everything. They become legends. To live and work in this industry through such a time that can only happen once in all of history past and ever to come is such a privilege. I would sell my soul 100 times over if I could, to have that experience – to be there during the rise and fall and then triumphant rise from the ashes again of the industry. To work with the original arcade machines to making games for the Atari 2600 console when it was popular to move to the NES and then the C64, then into the 16-bit era, the early 90’s that some still consider the “Golden Age” of video games, to the first clunky 3d software and hardware of the late 90’s… all the way to the wonderful level of sophistication of today: 2009.

    Luckily I myself, experienced all that as a consumer and gamer. I was there in 82 playing tabletop Pacman and DK, played the mario series on NES and other popular NES titles, enjoyed the 16bit and Golden Age era, enjoyed my N64, etc, etc to present day… but all that will never compare to being on the other-side as a video game developer and producer. That was a true dream job during that time. Even when Carmack and Romero were making Doom – to see their little messy office area that they worked in – making the game on old NeXT and 386/33 systems, even to experience that for one day, being in their shoes… words could not describe it.

    You, however, all this time, have failed to realize where you were and what you were doing. All you could see is $ signs, whoever you could take it from – consumer to your very own staff, to the point you actually had to flee from the UK. Either it’s time to make amends, stop this bullshit, or completely go away. Unless you actually make a 180 degree turn in both who you are and your image, I hope after today, I never hear of your name again attached to lawsuits or making developers lives sour, as at this point it causes me to cringe.

    • Bollocks!
      November 15, 2009 at 7:12 pm

      Perfectly said. Amen, brother.

  7. melissac
    November 16, 2009 at 1:39 am

    I think the SD (secure digital) image is trademarked by Toshiba. I wonder if Edge Games is licensed to use it on those blurry Edge SD card images…

  8. melissac
    November 16, 2009 at 1:56 am

    Oops, here’s the SD trademark owner’s site:

    http://www.sd-3c.com

    • roskelld
      November 18, 2009 at 11:49 am

      I believe that’s just a listing of manufacturers of the actual card, which will be done by only a few companies. What Edge Tech Corp are doing and what EDGE Games are pretending to do isn’t anything to do with the creation of the core card.

  9. melissac
    November 18, 2009 at 4:49 pm

    That makes sense. So he’s claiming to be a distributor and has a manufacturer to supply him.
    How can he afford all this? He can’t be funding this with just the 7 loans he’s taken out on his home. How much do lecturers make, anyway?

  10. Justin
    November 19, 2009 at 10:25 pm

    Something I noticed on the Edge Games site that I have not seen commented upon. There is a Gamers site called EdgeGamers Organization (eGO) that seems to be fairly active. He links to the site as if it is affiliated, and EdgeGamers has his characteristic trademark next to it, but nowhere in the group’s history was there a mention of Langdell. Anyone know if/how he is affiliated with it? Given his Rep, I’m not so sure the site’s admins would be thrilled that he is associating himself with it.

  11. Justin
    November 19, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    Never mind, I found that it was used under license. The domain is registered to Langdell, though I don’t think he is really all that involved with the site.

  12. drcancerman
    November 21, 2009 at 1:24 am

    An officially made sword has been released in Dragon age Origins, called “the Edge”. I couldn’t stop laughing!

    ~More info in this topic: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/255000

  13. melissac
    November 26, 2009 at 12:26 am

    No comments on Tim’s latest response to the motion to dismiss? I think he’s running out of litigation money and is looking for an easier way out.

    “If the Board is not so inclines [sic], in the alternative Registrant requests that its motion to dismiss be granted as to all Registrant’s marks that Petitioners seek to cancel other than the two registered marks (Reg. No. 2,219,837 and Reg. no. 2,251,584) which were not subject to the Velocity Micro case order.”

  14. The EDGY(intended Irony)
    November 26, 2009 at 6:01 am

    here’s a familiar name under a more favourable ownership: http://www.theedgegames.com/

    As far as I know, they’re not affiliated with Langdell in any way or form.

  15. Mr Flibble
    November 26, 2009 at 8:51 am

    @melissac – It looks like he’s got the upper hand for now. The proceedings have been “suspended pending disposition of registrant’s motion (filed October 27, 2009) to dismiss”. Although it’s pretty damn clear Langdell fabricated the ‘original’ letter – after all, you wouldn’t claim rights over something you had already asked to dismiss – good luck in proving that.

    http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-92051465-CAN-13.pdf

    Elsewhere, Edge has again been pulled from the App Store, so that and Killer Edge Racing are now both effectively dead. It’s pretty clear that it’ll take the EA suit to deal with this, and that will be delayed. It’s going to be a year before anything is concluded in this matter – and that’s being optimistic.

  16. Mr Flibble
    December 1, 2009 at 10:21 am

    On the UK store at least, EDGE has been rereleased as EDGY. Fucksticks.

  17. Tor I.
    December 2, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    It could be argued that invoice numbers are not sales numbers (just a series starting at some value, to be used for reference), but it does appear Mr. “Lang-hell” inflates his precisely to give the impression the sales are as high as you could be fooled into thinking.

    Better Business Bureau next? Unless there is a Horrible Business Bureau…

  18. phisheep
    July 30, 2011 at 9:56 pm

    Sorry to tag on here nearly two years later, but I’ve just managed to confirm the setup of BAIAS Ltd (which has now been renamed as “Edge Europe”). As suspected, it is a one-man show. There is one director, one subscriber and one member and it is all the same person. Guess who. Registered at Companies House in the UK number 06581756.

    From the filings I have seen it is ‘operating’ in breach of at least two sections of the Companies Act and is currently threatened with being struck off for non-submission of accounts – for the third time.

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